New ‘Smart’ Meters vs Mobile Phone Mast – guess what? (Smart Meters worse – video)

Well this doesn’t look good.

The following video shows a Gigahertz HF35C RF Analyser being used to compare microwave emissions from a cell phone tower (mobile phone mast) with Smart Meters.  The HF35C is capable of detecting microwave emissions between the 800Mhz and 2.7Ghz range – which is right where both Smart Meters and cell tower antennae beat their bio-destructive path to your cells and DNA.

The results of the comparison speak for themselves.

If you live in an apartment where banks of these harmful spy meters are going to be located, you might want to consider knocking on your neighbours’ doors and giving them the kind of info on Smart Meters that they won’t hear on Question Time or the 9 o’clock News.

Are you prepared to risk living with a mobile phone tower Smart Meter you can’t get rid of in exchange for ‘free leccy‘ (for a time) on a Saturday?  Are energy companies giving customers free Haz-Mat suits when they install these things?

Hat-tip to Mr Icke for the video and Paul for the link.  If you want to help us, please share this information.  Reckless, money-making scams like the present Smart Meter agenda can only come to fruition under the cover of darkness and ignorance about the facts.  Take action by helping us to share this info far and wide.

14 Comments
  1. Please explain to me why you feel it is ok for you to mislead the public about the smart meters and the wild claims when at least for the ones in the UK, have nothing more than the same electronics in sort of mobile phone you’d get for free on pay-as-you go? Even worse, you claim the transmit, 24/7 when the truth is, most if not meters send a simple text, once in every 24 hours and that text is a simple, one-way sms that takes just seconds to send the last 24 hours readings.

    The only difference between UK smart meters and a regular one is their ability to store 24 hours worth of readings and transmit it at the end of the day. Even if they did this every 30 mins (too expensive for the utilities) you’d never be exposed to anywhere new the sort of RF emissions as you’d absorb with the phone pressed up against your ear. I trust you don’t send texts with the phone pressed up against your head?

    I’m all for taking down big sinister corporations that keep us in the dark but right now, you are even worse than them trying to force you misunderstands on others.

    Smart meters won’t save you money and I’m sure in the small print, they’ll tell you as much. Only you can do that. What they WILL do is show you just how much you waste and at what times of day.

    As for allowing hackers and anyone else to see what you’re doing with what, this is all rubbish and paranoia. They do not connect via WiFi, they connect via the mobile phone networks and they know nothing about WHAT you use your electricity for, only what you consume at any given time to the nearest 30 minutes.

    How much longer do you think you can get away with your lies? I’ve got more trust in a PCWORLD salesman trying to sell me an Apple Mac!

    Yes, I do think there may well be a hidden agenda behind smart meters on a political level which is potentially, very sinister but all this rubbish about radiation just makes you ‘tinheads’ look totally implausible! You won’t people to listen? Then stick to the facts and stop making this crap up as you go.

    There is a BIG difference to having a mobile telecoms mast in your house compared to just another mobile phone. And that mobile phone? You need to learn your physics and a little of ‘Inverse Square Law’ but I’ll bet you actually know all this already. But you wouldn’t want the rest of us to know. You just want to keep everyone in the dark which is rather hypocritical given the claims you are making with regards to the industry.

    You’re no better than them, in fact, you are a million times worse!!!!!!!!

    • Dear Rob,

      Firstly, we’re not misleading the public – but the energy industry is and it’s obviously working. We set up this campaign to cut through the industry BS and highlight some uncomfortable – and evidently still unknown – truths about the Smart Meter agenda that you astutely predict could have sinister consequences for us.

      Let’s boil down each of your other claims and respond to them, one by one.

      1. You said “You claim the[y] transmit, 24/7 when the truth is, most if not meters [sic] send a simple text, once in every 24 hours and that text is a simple, one-way sms that takes just seconds to send the last 24 hours readings.

      In response to a CCST publication which claimed to show Smart Meters expose people to less non-ionising radiation than mobile phones, Snr Nuclear Policy Lecturer at UCSC, Daniel Hirsch, highlighted the fact that what the data actually revealed was Smart Meters expose human biology to between 160 and 800 times as much radiation as a mobile phone (for whole body exposure). See here: http://www.committeetobridgethegap.org/pdf/110212_RFrad_comments.pdf http://stopsmartmeters.org/2011/04/20/daniel-hirsch-on-ccsts-fuzzy-math/
      In answering a California court judge request for confirmation of Smart Meter emissions, PG&E attempted to suggest that Smart Meters only transmit data six times a day. What the document actually showed was that “Meter Read Data” was sent 6 times a day, “Network Management” messages were sent 30 times a day, “Time Synch” messages 360 times a day and “Mesh Network Msg Mgt” 190,000 times a day. Compare that to your claim that Smart Meters transmit data “once” a day with first-hand evidence we have of a British Gas Smart Meter emitting 43,200 pulses per day. Where did you get your information from to suggest they only ‘send a simple text once a day? Did you ask whether it emits any other kinds of messages, such as the ones that the PG&E document showed? http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/must-watch-smart-meters-health-privacy-explained-prof-glen-chase/ and http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?p=6030

      2. You said “Smart meters won’t save you money and I’m sure in the small print, they’ll tell you as much. Only you can do that. What they WILL do is show you just how much you waste and at what times of day.

      We agree. Smart Meters won’t save you energy and will, with the in-home display, give people the means to see what they are using. But did you know that Smart Meters will cost the 28million UK households and 2 million small businesses who are being targeted with Smart Meters about £400 each based on a £12b programme? Did you know you can get energy monitors that would give people exactly the same visibility of what they are using for £15 each on Amazon? And these little monitors don’t emit 43,200+ pulsed microwaves per day, they don’t communicate your usage data to any third parties, they can’t be hacked, they don’t allow a third party to control your appliances, and they don’t put our energy grid at risk?

      3. You said “As for allowing hackers and anyone else to see what you’re doing with what, this is all rubbish and paranoia. They do not connect via WiFi, they connect via the mobile phone networks and they know nothing about WHAT you use your electricity for, only what you consume at any given time to the nearest 30 minutes.

      Have you seen this? http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/move-over-murdoch-how-to-hack-a-smart-meter/ It showed that hackers can EASILY gain access to data such as what you’re watching on TV.
      Are you aware that the FBI have warned that Smart Meter energy theft is a “reality” that “is “likely to spread” and that utilities are “unprepared” http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/fbi-smart-meter-hacks-likely-to-spread-utilities-are-unprepared/.
      Are you aware that a former head of the CIA has blasted the idea of placing energy meters onto the web and called the Smart Grid a “really, really stupid grid”? http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/cia-director-calls-smart-grid-really-really-stupid/
      Are you aware that GCHQ has said that Smart Meters represent a “strategic threat” to the UK that will put households at risk of “terrorist” attack? http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/government-plans-to-install-smart-meters-in-our-homes-will-leave-us-open-to-cyber-attack-mail-online/ and http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/350490/20120610/energy-meter-foreign-terror-gchq-security-british.htm
      Are you aware that we have challenged British Gas to let us hack one of their Smart Meters live on TV, in partnership with cyber-security firm David Chalk Inc? Can you explain why you haven’t seen this happen on TV yet because we’re not sure why the challenge hasn’t been accepted. http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/bgsectest/ and http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/hacking-expert-david-chalk-joins-urgent-call-to-halt-smart-grid/ And have you seen this? http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/staged-cyber-attack-reveals-vulnerability-in-power-grid/
      Also, did you know that current specs for smart meters stipulate operational ratings down to -10degC and yet we hit -20degC in some parts of the UK just a few years ago? Smart Meters are designed to “fail-to-off” too, meaning if the cold gets them, they could leave you with no heat, power or water at the time you need it most. http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/new-report-warns-of-smart-meter-failures-due-to-temperature-weather-extremes/

      Also, Smart Meters operate at 2.4Ghz for HAN functionality – which is the same as WiFi. We didn’t mention that in this post anyway, so not sure why you mention it, but hopefully this helps to clarify things a little.

      4. You said “How much longer do you think you can get away with your lies? I’ve got more trust in a PCWORLD salesman trying to sell me an Apple Mac!

      Please confirm exactly what “lies” you consider we are trying to “get away with”.

      5. You said “There is a BIG difference to having a mobile telecoms mast in your house compared to just another mobile phone. And that mobile phone? You need to learn your physics and a little of ‘Inverse Square Law’ but I’ll bet you actually know all this already. But you wouldn’t want the rest of us to know. You just want to keep everyone in the dark which is rather hypocritical given the claims you are making with regards to the industry.

      Please consider carefully the above links we have provided and also the video we posted in this article which centres on a comparison between a mobile phone mast and Smart Meters. Also have a look at this Panorama investigation which showed wifi routers in schools expose children to more radiation than a cell tower just outside the classroom (it’s in three parts, this is the first part https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rOkB3as-Xs).

      Yes we know about the inverse square law. How much care and attention do you believe the likes of British Gas and their subcontractors are taking to ensure that Smart Meters are placed as far away from human biology as possible, especially in a multi-smart meter setting like an apartment block? Do you think they put warning signs on them or inform people about how much radiation they emit? We have first hand evidence that they actively lie about such information, and this could provide you with the means to challenge them if you already have a Smart Meter installed.

      Thanks for visiting our website. Please consider taking some time to look around it and to browse our fairly extensive backlog of studies, articles, reports, stories, testimony and evidence showing that Smart Meters should be rejected en masse by a public that is otherwise being kept in the dark.

    • Hello Rob

      I am afraid that you are wrong about the Smart Meter RF emissions being limited to one short text a day – if this were true we would be far less concerned about adverse health effects. You might like to look at the video footage we took earlier this year of a British Gas Smart Meter, measuring the RF radiation emissions from it with a professional meter which will show you what the real story is. It is on our Facebook Page (Stop Smart Meters (UK)), posted on 25th February 2013 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151526181142813 . You will see that the meter is emitting pulses of RF every 2 seconds or so for the whole duration of the video, which would amount to around 43,000 pulses a day. We agree that these pulses are unlikely to all be transmitting data but they are still providing constant pulsed exposure to RF 24/7 which is the main health concern about wireless smart meters. It is disingenuous to suggest that the only harm RF can do is to your brain i.e with a mobile phone pressed against your head. Scientific research has shown many types of body cells demonstrate biological effects from exposure to RF, so being in close proximity to this smart meter for long periods would produce a high CUMULATIVE exposure to RF for the whole body. As you will be aware with damage from X rays (ionising radiation), the more X rays you have (i.e. higher cumulative exposure) the higher the risk of harm – so this idea of cumulative exposure being relevant is not a new one in medicine.

      You may not realise that there are 2 networks of transmission from a smart meter. The first is between the SM and the utility company through the mobile phone networks as you describe. The second is the Home Area Network (HAN) which is the transmissions from the meter to the In Home Display. This network will use WiFi or similar signals to communicate and will be constantly transmitting.

      You may wish to look at this image from the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Australia http://stopsmartmeters.com.au/2013/07/31/smart-meters-welcome-to-a-brave-new-world-without-privacy/ which shows how data showing the signature energy pattern from different appliances is used to identify what you are using and when. Technology is far more sophisticated than you are giving it credit for!

      I hope this information has answered a few of your questions and concerns.

      Best wishes

  2. Ok, I think I’ve figured out why you are so confused and paranoid.
    Much, if not all of your supporting claims seem to be based on the American implementation of smart meters. They may well transmit the data on a much more regular basis (speculation) and over a completely different wireless network such your own Wifi router. I personally still wouldn’t be bothered as my own Wifi is well protected but I guess for the less IT savvy, this may well be an issue.

    Thing is, at least for us in the UK, this is all rather academic because unless I’m unique, I can assure you, MY smart meter connects using the Vodafone network, simple as that. At least for now, this is about as secure as they come since as I’ve tried to explain before, all it is doing is sending a simple, one-way, text message.

    Meters can be hacked, right? Of coarse they can, always have been, long before smart meters became available.

    I’m not saying that there isn’t a hidden agenda, I’m sure there is but all this rubbish about radiation is hokum, at least in the UK. To quote you:

    “Also have a look at this Panorama investigation which showed wifi routers in schools expose children to more radiation than a cell tower just outside the classroom”

    Guess what? I totally agree. Thing is and this proves my point, you are fixated on a different wireless technology. Not the technology that is actually inside every UK smart meters. Why? Simple, because they do not connect to your Wifi or any other Wifi but they connect via mobile networks and with good reason. Unlike Wifi, it is simple and thus much harder to hack, especially given the fact that all that is being sent is a simple text message, a one-way communication.

    It is the same reason that Mac/Linux users consider their platform so much more secure compared to an Microsoft environment with their endless security patches. Why? because Linux and OSX (Mac) are both based on Unix which is simple and thus secure(or much more so).

    Ask yourself this simple question.
    If mobiles phones are SO bad for you, how come they’ve not been banned because of all those (supposedly) mobile related deaths? Where are all these deaths?

    Now consider the truth about UK smart meters is the only additional technology inside is a ‘sim’ and a mobile device that does nothing more than send a simple text message. For now at least, the health hazards regarding mobiles is still open to debate so with that in mind, why does the industry need to re-test a proven technology more than it already has been?

    This is not the first time mobile technology has been implemented in something other than a mobile phone. Check out this one which saved my life after getting lost in the French Alps following a paragliding accident; http://www.findmespot.eu/en/

    I also use a similar device to keep track of my son, my car in addition to various expensive RC Models. ALL device have inbuilt GPS and the ability to send out a simple text message on a regular basis so I can locate my car, my son or our toys if they get lost or stolen.

    In the case of my RC models, if they’ve not already crashed, I can even send a return home message to one of my models if it is still airborne and all of this with simple mobile (not Wifi range to limited).

    My point is, mobile technology is being used in so much more than mobile phones and regardless of the fact that you probably have an issue with mobile phones, they a a fact of life that most folk would never live without so why do they suddenly require addition testing, just because they’ve been put to good use in modern smart meters?

    Not all smart meters communicate over the mobile networks. Some can connect via Ethernet, Wifi etc or all of the above. For now though, the UK has chosen to go with a simple mobile connection and as your addressing this to the folk of the UK you are misleading them with all these wild claims about the mobile phone masts, Wifi and such.

    While you may not like them, many folk, at least for now, welcome them. I used to work in the Energy industry and lost count of the number of complaints about estimated readings and surprise bills.

    Not everyone can have a smart meter. If you live in an area with poor mobile reception, a smart meter will probably be out of the question but for those that can, they are perfectly safe with nothing more than an inbuilt mobile phone. Unlike your mobile phone though, you won’t have your smart meter squashed to your head everyday.

    Before you try to tell me I still don’t understand, maybe you’d like to explain to me why my own smart meter has substantially lower emissions compared our own mobile phones and that was a few days ago at midnight when it sent off the SMS?

    I give you a challenge, change your tact, skip all this rubbish about radiation as it doesn’t apply in the UK. Rather, focus on why the government wants us to all have smart meters? If there is a hidden agenda, this is where you’ll find it.

    For the record, while it is true, you can reject the smart meter functionality, the chances are, that same meter will still be installed, albeit, without the smart function and you and/or meter readers will still have to come out and read the meter manually.
    Analogue meters? Few and far between and many had been phased out long before smart meters. Legally, you CANNOT insist you keep your old meter as they have to be retired after a period of time due to expired certification. Can’t remember the exact period but every ten years rings a bell. If you have an analogue meter, chances are, you have a collectors item if you can get the utility to give it up, wish I had 😉

    • You said “Ok, I think I’ve figured out why you are so confused and paranoid. Much, if not all of your supporting claims seem to be based on the American implementation of smart meters. They may well transmit the data on a much more regular basis (speculation) and over a completely different wireless network such your own Wifi router. I personally still wouldn’t be bothered as my own Wifi is well protected but I guess for the less IT savvy, this may well be an issue. Thing is, at least for us in the UK, this is all rather academic because unless I’m unique, I can assure you, MY smart meter connects using the Vodafone network, simple as that. At least for now, this is about as secure as they come since as I’ve tried to explain before, all it is doing is sending a simple, one-way, text message.”

      Rob, you are missing the point. What were the power densities at given distances and did you confirm that it only pulses once a day? Is the HAN functionality enabled? What frequency range have you checked? We will have a video posted shortly showing, for the second time, a BG Smart Meter emitting intense bursts of radiation every two seconds – that’s not one text message a day.

      And to correct you, Smart Meters do not work over YOUR wifi, they use their own wireless transponders – one to communicate with the cell tower (your info) and another to communicate with that thing on your wall called an IHD. Did you wonder where the data that real-time view of what energy your consuming comes from (or don’t you have one)? The data comes from regular pulses to the IHD which are sent wirelessly using the similar frequencies to your WiFi router – not your actual wifi router. We never contended that it did.

      And for the record, information about the US is absolutely relevant in the context of the UK because we use similar standards and sadly have only marginally better thresholds for EMFs that the US which is probably the worst offender, globally, for EMF allowances. We are set to get ZigBee chips in Smart Meters here, but the standards are still being agreed. Let me remind you that we measured a BG Smart Meter, in London, emitting 43,200 pulses per day. That is 43,199 more messages than your claimed one text message. Again, where did you get this information from? How do you think your Smart Meter is going to talk to your Smart Appliances and Smart Phone?

      You said: “Meters can be hacked, right? Of coarse they can, always have been, long before smart meters became available.”

      Right – but have they ever been put onto the web? Whole new ballgame.

      You said: “I’m not saying that there isn’t a hidden agenda, I’m sure there is but all this rubbish about radiation is hokum, at least in the UK. To quote you: “Also have a look at this Panorama investigation which showed wifi routers in schools expose children to more radiation than a cell tower just outside the classroom”

      It’s hokum? That’s not really showing us that the 5,000 studies showing harmful effects have no basis in reality. But then you say:

      You said: “Guess what? I totally agree. Thing is and this proves my point, you are fixated on a different wireless technology. Not the technology that is actually inside every UK smart meters. Why? Simple, because they do not connect to your Wifi or any other Wifi but they connect via mobile networks and with good reason. Unlike Wifi, it is simple and thus much harder to hack, especially given the fact that all that is being sent is a simple text message, a one-way communication.”

      Rob – this has now been explained above, twice, and I referred you to the video on the Berlin hacking conference. Please feel free to take a look at it. Smart Meters will have IP addresses, so will your appliances, this makes them addressable over the internet. Ring up your energy company and ask them if they can see how much energy you’re using currently – if they say yes, then anyone with the right technical skills in web-based protocols and security can see it. There are quite a few organisations and Governments around the world that have that sort of knowledge, some of them don’t play too nicely.

      You said: “Ask yourself this simple question. If mobiles phones are SO bad for you, how come they’ve not been banned because of all those (supposedly) mobile related deaths? Where are all these deaths?”

      The ONS reported last year at Children with Cancer conference that there had been a 50% rise in brain glioma in the last ten years. Why do you suppose that might be? There has been a notable rise in ipsilateral brain tumours too – on the same side of the head as mobile phones. Research mobile phones and carcinogenesis, and then ask yourself this question. If tobacco, leaded petrol, asbestos and DDT are so bad for you, why did it take Governments SO long to admit it (corruption, money, influence), which individuals went to prison for covering up the dangers (none), and how much money was made in the intervening period when their harmful effects were actively denied and suppressed (huge sums)? You claim to be “logical” but this argument is totally illogical – you’re contention that they must be safe because they haven’t been banned is a tacit argumentum ad verecundium/argument from authority which is a common logical fallacy. Besides, there are so many successfully argued cases for mobile phone harm it is dizzying. Court cases from all over the world – look and you will find them, but not served up to you on a platter via the mainstream press. There are also court cases emerging for harm from Smart Meters. We’ll be posting on that soon enough, but you can seek them out with some simple search terms online. In terms of “where are all these deaths” we have a quote on our home page from the late Dr David Servan-Schriber, who died from a brain tumour having discovered the harmful effects from mobile phones too late. We have a PDF of a book from Robert Kane, same story, Motorola exec who blew the whistle on the dangers, died from a brain tumour. Here’s the thing Rob – cigarettes typically take anything between 30 and 50 years to kill you. How long are you prepared to perform an experiment on yourself with your phone pressed against your head. The WHO’s IARC monographs stated its reasons for upgrading the classification of wireless radiation to a class 2B agent based on “Positive associations have been observed between exposure to radiofrequency radiation from wireless phones and glioma and acoustic neuroma” (p.421). Those associations with brain tumors and tumors of the acoustic nerve were observed by the Interphone study group and Lennart Hardell’s team in Sweden. Annie Sascoe, one of the contributors to the classification, argued for it to be higher – 2A. This is as close, for now, as the industries can ‘afford’ to admit as they recoup their investments and line the pockets of shareholders. How long have we had regular cell phones users for? Have you sought out any studies which show, unequivocally, that harm from cell phones, Smart Meters, etc is observable? I linked to Prof Henry Lai’s video. Not only do we now know whether the effects of wireless technologies are real, we know HOW they are caused – in short, some known mechanisms include calcium ion damage, endothelial cell dysfunction, oxidative stress and nitric oxide depletion.

      France’s Prof Dominque Belpomme, a Professor of Clinical Oncology in Paris and President of ARTAC, who has developed a protocol to diagnose EHS EHS through altered levels of histamine, vitamin D, melatonin and heat shock proteins following EMF exposure.

      Germany’s Prof Lebrecht von Klitzing has another methodology, where he uses testing of heart rate variability, microcirculation and electric skin potentials to identify EHS – and this is recognised by employers and insurance companies in Germany.

      We have tonnes of studies showing harm from EMFs on our site – have you read any? When was the last time you heard of any on the news? Do you suppose that the industry with deeper pockets that big tobacco has friends in the right places? But if you look carefully, you see that the PHE/HPA aren’t prepared to say they aren’t harmful – only that there is “no consistent evidence” showing harm. That’s like saying the only consistent evidence of harm from cigarettes are burns – as people can get all sorts of diseases meaning there is no ‘consistency’. The UK standards for wireless are set at levels which don’t cause heating beyond one degreeC after 6 minutes – there is NO allowance for chronic exposure. Our standards are ante-deluvian and were rightly voted “out of date” and “obsolete” by a European Parliamentary motion 5 years ago – did you hear about that on the news? Neither did we. Funny huh. We’re still using them today and the industry is making out like a bandit because of it.

      You said: “Now consider the truth about UK smart meters is the only additional technology inside is a ‘sim’ and a mobile device that does nothing more than send a simple text message. For now at least, the health hazards regarding mobiles is still open to debate so with that in mind, why does the industry need to re-test a proven technology more than it already has been?”

      Again, the contention about a text message is wrong, and the debate only rages because of industry influence. If they admitted cell phones directly caused carcinogenesis through DNA damage tomorrow, what do you think that would do to not just the wireless industry, but all associated service users, and also the Government revenues? Do you know of any instances where mobile phone industry money has gone directly into funding expensive cancer research facilities and that this kind of philantrhopy invariable buys complicity and silence? Look around – you’ll be amazed by what you can find.

      You said: “This is not the first time mobile technology has been implemented in something other than a mobile phone. Check out this one which saved my life after getting lost in the French Alps following a paragliding accident; http://www.findmespot.eu/en/ I also use a similar device to keep track of my son, my car in addition to various expensive RC Models. ALL device have inbuilt GPS and the ability to send out a simple text message on a regular basis so I can locate my car, my son or our toys if they get lost or stolen. In the case of my RC models, if they’ve not already crashed, I can even send a return home message to one of my models if it is still airborne and all of this with simple mobile (not Wifi range to limited). My point is, mobile technology is being used in so much more than mobile phones and regardless of the fact that you probably have an issue with mobile phones, they a a fact of life that most folk would never live without so why do they suddenly require addition testing, just because they’ve been put to good use in modern smart meters?”

      We don’t deny that mobile technologies have functional benefits and they aren’t going away in a hurry. But that doesn’t make them safe – asbestos was a wonder technology 50 years ago, loads of applications, solved lots of construction problems. One major downside – realised after untold numbers of deaths and grief.

      Back to mobile technology, there are emerging technologies, such as VLC, which seem to be bio-friendly and thus offer benefits of mobility without the biological harm. But they still aren’t available and weren’t available previously, so we’ll pay the piper for what is tantamount to a grave mistake on behalf for our biology and environment which is being upset by levels of EMF millions of times higher than what we evolved with (heard about the bees? They are incredibly sensitive to EMFs). We never evolved with information-carrying/modulated pulsed frequencies either – these are TOTALLY new.

      You said: “Not all smart meters communicate over the mobile networks. Some can connect via Ethernet, Wifi etc or all of the above. For now though, the UK has chosen to go with a simple mobile connection and as your addressing this to the folk of the UK you are misleading them with all these wild claims about the mobile phone masts, Wifi and such.”

      Rob, almost all of them will – and if you take time to do some research into this you’ll figure that out. The aim is for 100% coverage, ultimately, but there will be some where wireless connectivity is impractical. On the whole, highly energy inefficient wireless technologies are the choice. Are you aware of any wired connections yet? We aren’t – but you’re right, they could do it via the phone line – so why do you suppose they aren’t doing it because it would be cheaper as the infrastructure is already in place? The reality is that there are big profits in new technologies and infrastructure – big projects. Shareholders get value from those kinds of things, and people get jobs and the Government gets taxes and the ability to sell frequency ranges for billions of pounds. But sadly all of our biology will pay a far bigger price.

      You said: “While you may not like them, many folk, at least for now, welcome them. I used to work in the Energy industry and lost count of the number of complaints about estimated readings and surprise bills.”

      Thousands of people complain about Smart Meters and we receive them every day. 2,000 complaints logged in the first two months of California’s Smart Meter programme. People, in the main, cope fine with estimated bills and submitting readings online. Many of them do it via wired ethernet modems because they chose not to harm their biology with wifi.

      You said: “Not everyone can have a smart meter. If you live in an area with poor mobile reception, a smart meter will probably be out of the question but for those that can, they are perfectly safe with nothing more than an inbuilt mobile phone. Unlike your mobile phone though, you won’t have your smart meter squashed to your head everyday.”

      You can’t legislate for where people’s Smart Meters (or their neighbours’ ones) will be, and we know that banks of Smart Meters have been installed outside of people’s bedrooms in certain locations. Smart Meters are NOT perfectly safe at all and a short stroll around our site with a diffident mindset and openness to being shown some real-life examples of the harm they cause, may be of some value to you. We already explained the differences, you seem to be unprepared to research them – if you have any more questions having done some more research, let us know. Hopefully some other people reading this can get some value from the links.

      You said: “Before you try to tell me I still don’t understand, maybe you’d like to explain to me why my own smart meter has substantially lower emissions compared our own mobile phones and that was a few days ago at midnight when it sent off the SMS?”

      Please confirm the make and model of your Smart Meter, and please provide the power densities at 1 meter, 3 meters, 10 meters. Has your power company enabled the HAN setting? How do you think it’s going to communicate when it detects your Smart fridge and Smart phone, etc?

      You said “I give you a challenge, change your tact, skip all this rubbish about radiation as it doesn’t apply in the UK. Rather, focus on why the government wants us to all have smart meters? If there is a hidden agenda, this is where you’ll find it.”

      Thanks for the advice. We’ll pass.

      You said: For the record, while it is true, you can reject the smart meter functionality, the chances are, that same meter will still be installed, albeit, without the smart function and you and/or meter readers will still have to come out and read the meter manually.

      We’ve had increasing amounts of evidence that the SMPS in Smart Meters (even dumbed down) cause major problems through dirty electricity/ELF sensitivity. Again, the coverage for Smart Meters is intended to be as near to 100% as possible. When they want to start controlling your appliances for you during “periods of excessive demand”, you can bet they’ll have figured out the problem of how to connect to it.

    • Illogical Robbie,

      “Ask yourself this simple question. If mobiles phones are SO bad for you, how come they’ve not been banned because of all those (supposedly) mobile related deaths? Where are all these deaths?”

      From today’s Daily Telegraph.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8606104/Mobile-phones-cause-five-fold-increase-in-brain-cancer-risk.html

      [i]”The Swedish study found large increased incidence of astrocytoma, the most common form of a malignant brain tumour type called glioma, in those who had been using mobiles for over 10 years.

      The study suggests the younger you start using a mobile, the more at risk you are from developing brain cancer
      Campaigners said the research, published in the International Journal of Oncology, was further evidence of the need to educate children of the potential dangers of talking on mobile phones.
      Researchers from the University Hospital of Örebro and Umeå University examined the mobile and cordless phone use of more than 1,200 Swedes, who were diagnosed with malignant brain cancer between 1997 and 2003.
      Of those, the 905 who were still alive were interviewed about their phone usage. For the remaining 346 who had died., researchers asked their relatives about their loved-ones’ telephone habits.
      They then compared this to phone use information on almost 2,500 ‘controls’ who were either living and had no brain cancer, or had died of other causes. Each ‘case’ and each ‘control’ was matched for age, sex and social class.”[/i]

      You never heard of the tobacco scandal or the asbestos cover up?

      In the next ten years we will see the result of the over use of mobile phones. I, for one, don’t want to risk my children’s health on the possibilty that “the gubbermint” assurances are correct that mobile phones and smart meters are safe.

  3. Mike Mitcham (I presume?)

    “Rob, you are missing the point. What were the power densities at given distances” Slightly less than my Samsung smartphone but more (not a lot) than my partners Sony Ericsson.

    “and did you confirm that it only pulses once a day?” Yes, 00:00 hours (12am). Outside of that, the meter is in standby like a regular mobile.

    “Is the HAN functionality enabled?” No
    “What frequency range have you checked?” 800MHz, 900Mhz, 1800Mhz, 2100Mhz, 2600Mhz. Goes without saying, only one emmitted anything at all 😉

    I notice you do a hell of a lot of speculating. I’m with First Utility who claim the smart meter program is all their baby (not sure I believe that).

    I do not have an IHD device and this smart meter does not connect to my Wifi. I know, I’d have had to given them access wouldn’t I?

    I do not get realtime info via an IHD, only the previous days data so right now for example, I could only see my usage for 01/08/13 but not the last 8 mins of 02/08/13. The meter stores readings every 30 mins and at midnight, each night, sends an sms of the last 48 readings, that’s it. It doesn’t know what was connected or what I was using (please explain how that could work?)

    All it sends is the 48 readings for the last 24 hours. I guess I could do the same but as the meter only displays Kw while the meter saves down to a single watt, my readings wouldn’t be very accurate.

    “And to correct you, Smart Meters do not work over YOUR wifi, they use their own wireless transponders – one to communicate with the cell tower (your info) and another to communicate with that thing on your wall called an IHD. Did you wonder where the data that real-time view of what energy your consuming comes from (or don’t you have one)? The data comes from regular pulses to the IHD which are sent wirelessly using the similar frequencies to your WiFi router – not your actual wifi router. We never contended that it did”

    Nor did I? This was my whole point, no consistency but I think they tried to tell you that (yes, I watched your presentation 😉
    As you were told when you had that meeting, the way most meters send their data back is via the electronic contents of a basic mobile phone. Sure, some of these meters are modular and can have other coms modules installed but much as I’d love to have had that IHD, my utility doesn’t offer that.

    All this stuff about smart fridges/freezers etc? Is there a law that says I have to have one of these because right now, if ‘HAN’ was enabled, it wouldn’t do very much but thanks anyway, they are both getting a little old now, just got to be careful what I buy I guess 😉

    Your whole problem is you spend all your time speculating and not enough time verifying the facts. It seems you are looking for problems to justify your case but with no real conclusive science. I really feel for you because that meeting looked really embarrassing but I think you were so wrapped up with shaking your head, you never really listened at all did you?

    I hope you don’t mind, I’ve saved those clips as I really think this story is newsworthy. “Stop Smart Meters! (UK) confronts Parliament”
    This really needs to be seen by a wider audience, Daily Mail?, The Sport? Maybe the Sun?

    Sad thing is, I do actually think there is a potentially dark side to smart meters roll-out but it has nothing to do with radiation, it doesn’t even have anything to do with cyber attacks. It is all about why they feel they need to see how much you are consuming at any specific point in the day. I don’t consider it an invasion of my privacy as they still don’t know what I’m actually using it all for, the simply know how much and when but that is still cause enough for concern.

    Shame you missed it and focused on such weak and unsubstantiated arguments that for now at least, aren’t relevant in the UK

    Once again, at least with my utility, they collect data via sms, once every 24 hours which means I have to wait until the following day to see what I used the day before. I do not get this realtime and nor does my utility. Funny thing is, didn’t stop you talking about HAN and my non-existent IHD along with all this crap about smart fridges etc which I don’t actually have. Speculating but hey, you’re good at that bit 😉

    • Rob, it’s difficult to remain interested in engaging in dialogue with you when you revert to infantile name-calling, refuse to look beyond your own individual, anecdotal experience at the research we’ve put together on the site and in our responses to you.

      You said that the HAN functionality is disabled. You had mentioned in a previous comment to us that you were able to see exactly how much energy you were using, but you hadn’t explained that this wasn’t in realtime and that you were getting time-averaged, half-hourly, compounded figures for the previous day. That’s not in keeping with the Gov’s Smart Meter plan where you’ll have real-time view of what you’re using. Have First Utility told you whether they can disconnect you remotely? If your meter only sends traffic one way to First Utility, via text, then how do you think they could remotely disconnect you? Have you asked them if they can?

      You say that “I do not have an IHD device and this smart meter does not connect to my Wifi. I know, I’d have had to given them access wouldn’t I?”

      Did you read the response where I took time to explain that it DOESN’T connect to your WiFi? You raised this originally, I was correcting you.

      You said: “I do not get realtime info via an IHD, only the previous days data so right now for example, I could only see my usage for 01/08/13 but not the last 8 mins of 02/08/13. The meter stores readings every 30 mins and at midnight, each night, sends an sms of the last 48 readings, that’s it. It doesn’t know what was connected or what I was using (please explain how that could work?). All it sends is the 48 readings for the last 24 hours. I guess I could do the same but as the meter only displays Kw while the meter saves down to a single watt, my readings wouldn’t be very accurate.”

      People who’ve been duped into accepting a Smart Meter are most likely going to be offered a Smart Meter compatible IHD. You’ve mentioned before that you can see exactly what you are using – so see above. Having visited our website and posted a comment, I was expecting that your view of Smart Meters would have been beyond your own anecdotal, individual experience. You seem to have adopted a fairly unsophisticated Smart Meter which provides you with half hourly, collated historical usage figures. That’s less than you’d get from a cheap energy monitor which doesn’t communicate usage to a third party (or their partners). But if it’s only emitting once a day, enjoy it while it lasts – because if you get to the point of having a “smart home”, your Smart Meter will be communicating constantly. And so will your neighbours – who may all have Smart Meters emitting far more than yours. To remind you, we linked to court docs showing that Smart Meters can emit up to 190,000 pulses a day. British Gas’s emit over 43,000 pulses a day. You meter doesn’t sound like the worst offender but you’re still opening up the doorway to your on energy usage patterns to be analysed and modelled and made available to third parties. That wouldn’t be to many people’s liking, whether they transmit wirelessly or not.

      You said: “As you were told when you had that meeting, the way most meters send their data back is via the electronic contents of a basic mobile phone. Sure, some of these meters are modular and can have other coms modules installed but much as I’d love to have had that IHD, my utility doesn’t offer that.”

      You hadn’t explained that you were using a First Utility meter which only (currently) transmits once a day. Thank you for finally mentioning it. See above in relation to other Smart Meters. Again, standards are still being agreed here in the UK, so we don’t know exactly what’s going to be the agreed upon technologies yet. That hasn’t stopped BG installing 1m of their own.

      You said: “Your whole problem is you spend all your time speculating and not enough time verifying the facts. It seems you are looking for problems to justify your case but with no real conclusive science. I really feel for you because that meeting looked really embarrassing but I think you were so wrapped up with shaking your head, you never really listened at all did you?”

      That’s an interesting choice of words Rob and is very similar to a pathetic piece of anonymous hate mail we received via our contact form some months ago. From the tiny number of people that we have had contacting us to voice their preconditioned thoughts on why we’re “wrong”, what are the chances that we’d get two people adopting the same choice of words in their attempts to throw mud pies at us? I’ll have a look at your IP address and see if it’s the same. What do you reckon?

  4. Thank you for taking the time to comprehensively destroy what for many would be a sufficient enough trolling to deter them buying the seriousness of this Smart Meter roll out. Logical Robbie – go play somewhere else. Chemtrail trolls are struggling – you might do better there.

  5. I have reluctantly had to delete a comment.

    Whilst we actively encourage open, intelligent debate on the issues we cover on the site, abusive, insulting vitriol is not welcome.

  6. The Chemtrail trolls have informed me they are not that desperate.

  7. It’s astounding that People are paid to Troll nowadays, but true!
    The Law of logical argument; anything is possible when you have no idea what you are talking about!
    Shame on you Logical Rob-bie.

  8. There are many aspects to this subject. What alarms me the most is the radiation. Meters are said to be only 1.111 watts of power, but at microwave frequencies appear to be rather penetrating, and might travel miles. 934 CB radio was often crystal clear for miles. As these meters will talk to each other the duty cycle could be nearer 100%? I stopped using ham radio when I heard about a report that stated that ham radio operators had twice the risk of leuklemia if I remember correctly. In front of me is an old microwave experimenter’s manual that mentions ‘When working with substantial amounts of RF at microwave frequencies, do not stand in front of the antenna- the strong RF field can be harmful, and body tissue heating will occur’. I have read through the chapter to see exactly what power level they are talking about and the chapter only mentions two power levels- one watt and ten watts. I seem to remember the good ol’ boys went to the tops of the hills with dishes and used only milliwatts of power. An environmental consultant’s report claimed that FCC recommendations could be exceeded if standing in front of a smart meter.
    What microwaves have been shown to do to blood cells in a few moments is frightening- as is the reports of headaches, nose bleeds tinnitus and insomnia etc etc that are surfacing from a small section of people in the USA. Years ago I came across three people in a short space of time with brain tumours, two of these people I knew. Sadly two died.

  9. I have electrosensitivity, about 12 years ago I was having a normal life at university, now in my early thirties, I feel about 90 when I am in microwave radiation. Shielding companies have taken away some of the pain and allowed me to live (a bit) longer, which I am so grateful for. Some people reading this will think how is this person typing on the internet? as they believe that you have to have Wi-Fi to get the internet. This shocks me to think that they do not know that all you need is an ethernet cable, people used to all use the internet this way before Wi-Fi.

    I have so many horrible symptoms, which vary with the type of emissions, my life will probably be a sacrifice to the darkside once smart meters are installed. I can’t see my humble attempts at shielding being sufficient, I watch Barrie Trower (on YouTube) a microwaves expert who used to work for MI5, he knows the truth and this gives me hope that this agenda will be seen for what it is and stopped. I recommend that everyone watch Barrie Trower on YouTube, he always teaches me so much and it is TRUELY SHOCKING!!! we are killing bees (and other creatures) who are the perfect size for microwaves, killing ourselves and future generations as the female reproductive system is 10 times more sensitive to the damaging effects and it is not repairable.

    I see the same denial and manipulation of the findings with all the things the government push, like mobile phones and vaccinations. The truth will always win, the people who are being paid to put comments on sites like this in favour of smart meters and related technology should remember that they too have to live in this world and they will have to face themselves and all the suffering, pain and death they are helping to cause.

    I see the aircraft spraying all day, everyday, I see the fall out and have to inhale the aluminium, barium and the rest, I can feel the bacteria in my nose and throat, this stuff bends the light of my torch. Lets stop debating if it is true or not, science shows it is true and science is the way to go, this is not a game for the elites to experiment upon us (their cattle), they have cremated their cares at Bohemian Grove and they are destroying this beautiful world. We are living in a prison without the bars, although I feel it is becoming a concentration camp, since we are being gased, poisoned, tortured and killed.

    PLEASE WAKE UP!!!We are all ONE, peace and love to all!!!